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POLL: Which Paladin kit is best suited for a solo run?

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by Klorox, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. Klorox

    Klorox Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! Veteran

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    I posted about a solo Cavaleir in the recent thread about soloing the game, but I'm wondering if anybody likes the other kits better for a solo run.

    Just curious, I thought this would be an interesting discussion. :)

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    Poll Results: Which Paladin kit is best suited for a solo run? (19 votes.)

    Which Paladin kit is best suited for a solo run? (Choose 1)
    * Cavaleir - 16% (3)
    * Inquisitor - 58% (11)
    * Undead Hunter - 26% (5)
    * No Kit - 0% (0)
     
  2. Berksmasher Gems: 2/31
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    I voted undead hunter, mostly because I like the idea of the class, but I don't think it is really superior to the cavalier.

    Looking at the advantages for an Undead Hunter:

    +Immunity to level drain--useful early on, BUT even that problem is eventually solved for a solo Cav.

    +Ability to use missile weapons--this is very nice, BUT the cavalier can use throwing axes.

    +Immunity to hold is a nice way to counteract my biggest problems in solo games, BUT there are a number of items that take care of that problem.

    +Bonuses vs. Undead. Parts of the game are crawling with nasty undead, BUT a high level Cav will still be able to turn many of them anyway.

    Looking at the advantages for a Cavalier:

    +20% resistances to fire and acid--with a little more help from items you can approach near immunity or beyond if the need arises without sacrificing "better" gear.

    +++Bonuses vs. Demons and Dragons--these are the toughest enemies in the game, and while they aren't as common as undead, the bonuses are arguably going to be more useful.

    Immunity to poison is not that big a deal as you will presumably be wearing the Ring of Gaxx anyway.

    The Undead Hunter is probably going to be a little more useful for a player who plays more casually and doesn't mind obsessive reloading vs. the toughest enemies, while the Cavalier requires a bit more attention in terms of inventory selection and combat tactics. But IMO for the truly tough solo battles in the game you will wish you were playing a Cavalier.

    The Inquisitor...still trying to work out the advantages of that one. True Sight and Dispel Magic? Umm, sure.
     
  3. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    I do like the Cavalier, in that it's great to have bonuses to hit vs. Demons and Dragons, and also having immunity to fear, and a natural 20% resistance to elemental attacks is great. Inability to use missile weapons is meaningless IMO, as you'd likely be using something like Azuredge anyway.

    I don't like the Undead Hunter, because there are various items in the game that give Negative Plane Protection - IMoD springs immediately to mind - and i believe if you use the illitium on Azuredge you can also get NPP (though Item Upgrade Mod).

    However, while I see nothing overly wrong with the Cavalier, the Inquisitor should make mage battles much easier, as well as dragon battles as they always put up protective spells as well. It's really a toss up IMO, but I think the decision is between Inquisitor and Cavalier.
     
  4. Caradhras

    Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Veteran

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    Don't forget Carsomyr!

    I picked Undead Hunter because the level drain is really irksome if you don't have the right item (otherwise you will spend the earlier chapters in SoA running away from vampires).
    Sure dragons are a nuisance but what about liches and Bodhi? You won't be able to turn them then.
    An Undead Hunter can always get the dragon sword and shield...

    What turns me off about the Cavalier kit is the lack of ranged weapons (agreed the bonus against demons and dragons looks good but at really high levels you won't notice anymore a measly +3 to hit).

    Inquisitor? Some people love them, I like spellcasting and wielding Carsomyr at the same time.

    [EDIT: typo :o ]

    [ June 22, 2006, 23:12: Message edited by: Caradhras ]
     
  5. Felinoid

    Felinoid Who did the what now? ★ SPS Account Holder

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    A Cavalier is basically an 'improved Paladin' with no downside *cough*Azuredge*cough*, so not having a kit seems somewhat pointless. The Undead Hunter's main advantage is NPP, but you can easily get something for that very early when you've got solo money. The Inquisitor's uber Dispel Magic ability, OTOH, is priceless against the hordes of magic-using enemies in the game, as is True Sight (bypassing pesky Misleads can mean two or three less spells they get to cast). There's no doubt about it in my mind that the Inquisitor wins.
     
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    I agree with everything that Felinoid said.
     
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    What do you get that gives NPP early in the game. If its that necklace from Lindvale, I don't think its usable by warrior classes? I'm curious because level drain is the primary reason I don't like soloing (Undead hunters aren't my style, hate paladins)

    And could someone explain what OTOH means?
     
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    Paladins are considered to be spellcasters and thus can use the amulet.

    OTOH means "on the other hand"
     
  9. Harbourboy

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    Definitely Inquisitor for solo. Undead Hunter is great in a party when you runout of amulets and castings of Negative Plane Protection.
     
  10. Felinoid

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    Actually, it looks like it is prohibited from Paladins and Rangers, which is very strange since I remember Minsc wearing it. Still, there's always IMoD, which doesn't take all that much longer to get (maybe 15 minutes).
     
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    I just tried it and you are correct in that Paladins can't use the amulet. I know that I have had Minsc use it before, and Keldorn too. If I remember correctly it was usable by anyone except thieves and fighters. Could it have been changed in the TOB update?
     
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    I think Inquisitor's must be my favorite paladin class. Yes, those bonuses for Cavaliers often come in handy against dragons and demons, but really, how often do fight demons and dragons? On the other hand, True Sight comes in handy ALL of the time. I can't even count the number of mages in this game who use invisibility spells.
     
  13. Drugar

    Drugar And now... we wait! Veteran

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    I am currently soloing with an Undead Hunter and I haven't had a single battle that I couldn't beat. Even Kangaxx and Fierkraag were down before I knew it.

    Nice class. Immunity to level drain is handy early on in the game, the bonuses against the undead are a nice addition.
     
  14. chevalier

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    All of them are good, really. Inqusitor strikes me as the best because of the increased pwnage against mages and other such. Undead Hunter provides some ease of use when facing the undead. Cavalier is strong in melee and has some useful immunities.

    I'd rather keep the priestly spells, so I'd go for Cavalier. As a matter of style, would keep laying hands, too. ;)

    You see, you can offset all of the bonuses with items, or most of them, mostly.
     
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    From the Balderdash readme:

    Amulet Of Power Usability Fix

    File AMUL21.ITM; a edited version of the Baldur's Gate 2: Throne Of Bhaal item definition for the Amulet Of Power. It resolves the bugs of this amulet being wearable by barbarians and monks, who are not spellcasters, but not paladins and rangers, who are. The amulet should be available only for all spellcasting classes (Mage/sorceror, bard, druid, cleric, paladin, and ranger.) This was confirmed by Senior Designer David Gaider on the Black Isle messageboards, who also confirmed that Inquisitor paladins should have access to it though they cannot cast priest spells as their innate abilities are spell-like and they are members of a spellcasting class. Its protection from level drain will not be useful to an Undead Hunter paladin.

    And I still say that no righteously played Paladin will ever get to use the IMoD ;)
     
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    inquisitor, if only for the hold immunity

    the dispel magic is icing
     
  17. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    @Truper - interesting - so in other words, all rangers and paladins SHOULD be able to use the Amulet. Still, I have to admit, that I don't consider paladins and rangers to be a "spellcasting" class. Of course, that's probably from the fact that I played BG1 for so long where they weren't spell casters.

    I agree in principle with your idea that a properly played paladin wouldn't get the IMoD. What I don't agree with is why 200 pounds of illithium are required to place a coating on the MoD. I can't imagine why more than a pound of illithium would be required. And it also seems to me that Sarles probably would be OK if you brought him back 199 pounds of illithium instead of 200 lbs.
     
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    Well that certainly explains things. I normally play with the Baldurdash fix packs but I do not have them installed on my laptop right now.
     
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