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Hero or Villian?

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Elios, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. Elios Gems: 17/31
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    Paul Hill, a former minister who said he murdered an abortion doctor and his bodyguard to save the lives of unborn babies, was executed Wednesday by injection. He was the first person put to death in the United States for anti-abortion violence.

    Hill, 49, was condemned for the July 29, 1994, shooting deaths of Dr. John Bayard Britton and his bodyguard, retired Air Force Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett, and the wounding of Barrett's wife outside the Ladies Center in Pensacola.

    As he has since the slaying, Hill showed no remorse and urged abortion foes to use whatever means to protect the unborn.

    ``If you believe abortion is a lethal force, you should oppose the force and do what you have to do to stop it,'' Hill said as laid strapped to a gurney in the execution chamber. ``May God help you to protect the unborn as you would want to be protected.''

    Hill was pronounced dead at 6:08 p.m., Gov. Jeb Bush's office said.

    Death penalty opponents and others had urged Bush to halt the execution, some of them warning Hill's death would make him a martyr and unleash more violence against abortion clinics. The governor said he would not be ``bullied'' into stopping the execution.

    Florida abortion clinics and police were on heightened alert for reprisals. Several officials connected to the case received threatening letters last week, accompanied by rifle bullets.

    ``Paul Hill is a dangerous psychopath,'' said Marti McKenzie, spokeswoman for Dr. James S. Pendergraft, who runs clinics in Orlando, Ocala, Tampa and Fort Lauderdale.

    Outside Florida State Prison, extra law enforcement officers, explosives-sniffing dogs and undercover officers were in place to prevent protests from getting out of hand. About 50 abortion and death penalty foes quickly left following the execution as rain fell and lighting struck near the prison.

    Hill, a former Presbyterian minister, had final visits with family members and his religious adviser stayed with him until just before the execution.

    Since losing his automatic appeals, Hill has not fought his execution and insisted up to the day before his death that he would be forgiven by God for killing to save the unborn.

    ``I expect a great reward in heaven,'' he said in an interview Tuesday, during which he was cheerful, often smiling. ``I am looking forward to glory.''

    Fringe elements of the anti-abortion movement that condone clinic violence have invited attacks on Web sites that proclaim Hill as a martyr. Members of the mainstream anti-abortion movement have denounced the calls for violence.

    Most abortion clinics in Florida reached by The Associated Press on Wednesday declined comment. McKenzie said security is always high at their clinics, but they are particularly cautious now because of Hill's call for people to follow his actions.

    ``The bottom line is when you work in the industry you're aware those people are out there every single day,'' she said.

    Inspired by the 1993 shooting death of another abortion doctor in Pensacola, Hill purchased a new shotgun and went to a gun range to practice. The morning of the murders, as Britton and the Barretts entered the clinic parking lot, Hill shot James Barrett in the head and upper body. He then reloaded and fired again, hitting Britton in the head and arm. June Barrett was wounded in the arm.

    Hill put down the shotgun because he did not want to get shot by police. When officers arrested him minutes later, he said, ``I know one thing, no innocent babies are going to be killed in that clinic today.''

    Hill was the 57th inmate executed since Florida resumed executions in 1979 and the third in Florida this year.

    The killings of Britton and Barrett happened during a time of increased violence at clinics nationwide.

    Another abortion doctor had been killed in Pensacola in 1993 by Michael Griffin, who is serving a life sentence. Two receptionists were killed at Boston-area abortion clinics in 1994 by John Salvi, who committed suicide in prison two years later.

    Earlier this year, James Kopp was convicted of killing an Buffalo, N.Y., abortion doctor in 1998, while fugitive Eric Rudolph was captured and charged with a 1998 bombing that killed an off-duty police officer at an Alabama abortion clinic.
     
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    Villains.

    None of these people have any sort of right to take unlawful action to stop a lawful one. I have no problem with differing points of view on abortion, but this was nothing but cold bloodied murder.

    I don't agree with the death sentence in general, but whichever way Paul Hill was punished, he should be punished as the murderer he is (was).

    No loss.
     
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    Basically the guy was a terrorist, with similar religious motivations/methods/payoffs that al-Qaida abides by.

    He was on a "Jihad."
     
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    @Not at Elios, but at the subject in general.

    Neither hero nor villan. Just ordinary insane. Not insane enough to plead diminshed responsibility for his actions, but insane enough to see the world in purely black and white terms.

    If you want to write about abortion, start with reasonable arguments, not with nutcases.

    I seriously doubt that there is anything new to be said on the subject (abortion), or any different perspectives to be explored, but go ahead, if anyone feels they must.

    Don't argue about what other people should do or should not do. That is offensive. In such matters only a person who has been in the situation where they have had to make the choice actually knows what they are talking about.

    If someone speaks from experience I will listen. Otherwise it is just insulting the integrity of human beings that 'aren't like you' because they have endured a situation that I hope anyone reading this never has to.

    [ September 04, 2003, 19:52: Message edited by: Bluin ]
     
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    Villians and I do believe in the death penalty.

    @Bluin

    I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
     
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    What I am trying to say is that the above story is not about the rights and wrongs of murder (outside of warfare or self defence), it's about the rights and wrongs of abortion.

    To even suggest that a murderer can be hailed as a hero means that Elios wants to debate whether abortion should be seen as a criminal act.

    In this case why not just ask the question; 'Is abortion wrong?', instead of introducing insanity, which only clouds the issue?

    Was it to make it more interesting? To make the debate sound new? If not, then why?

    Link to thread on abortion on these boards

    [ September 04, 2003, 20:02: Message edited by: Bluin ]
     
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    I say he's a criminal -- I'm opposed to abortion, but I'm also opposed to vigilante violence.
     
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