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Can’t force Haer'Dalis to conflict

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by sestritsaA, Aug 25, 2017.

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    Hello, I’m new to the forums.

    I played three games with Aerie and Haer Dalis. At some point Aerie always tells him that she loves my protagonist and he answers: “Then I’ll play on your wedding, Aerie”. My first game was with a paladin UH, CHA 18, and I assumed it was because of his high charisma. My second game was with a kensai, CHA 14, Keldorn was a leader and I assumed it was because of Keldorn’s high charisma. I’m playing with a ranger now, CHA 15, he is the leader, Keldorn is not in the party. I see the same dialog.

    Besides Minsc never talks to anybody but Aerie. He comments events sometimes however. Keldorn’s dialogs stop after completing his family quest. Massy’s dialogs stop after completing her sister’s quest. It is discouraging and not fun.

    I would change some variables via console or SK if I knew them.

    I play GOG.com version of the game (no mods) if it matters.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are after. I know that there is a romance guide available either here or on Gamefaqs that can provide clues on the romance, and also a guide or chart on who banters with who. You might want to look at the guides here on SP and on GameFAQs.
     
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    Romances are OK, I have two romancing guides and it’s a great help.

    My problem is that I want conflict with Haer’Dalis because it’s fun, and I can’t achieve it. I want him to challenge my hero to a duel and then kick him out of my party. However he always chooses peaceful solution. What circumstances are required for the duel? Should my hero have very low charisma and maybe low reputation? Maybe evil? However it’s not fun to play with such a hero and I doubt that Aerie likes him.

    Besides I can’t understand why my Minsc is silent like a fish. He has wonderful banters with Keldorn, for example (I saw them on YouTube), and I never saw them in my games.
     
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    Are you using any mods
     
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    For the duel to occur, you must recruit Aerie and Haer Dalis at around the same time. If you recruit Haer Dalis late your romance with Aerie will already be far too advanced for him to stand a chance, which is why he bows out peaceably. I'm not sure what the specifics are, however.

    Some of the dialogues you alluded to only occur under specific circumstances. Minsc must be in berzerk mode after a battle for Keldorn to initiate his "calm down Minsc" dialogue, for example, and I think for another Minsc must be in near-death state after combat.
    Mazzy doesn't really talk a lot except with Jan, Korgan and Valygar. She's gold with any of those around though.

    Welcome to the forums!
     
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    I don’t use any mods.

    I recruited Aerie short time after arrival to Athkatla in all three games. Romance started successfully. I recruited Haer’Dalis after Quayle’s call - in three days. Haer’Dalis and Aerie started flirting in the proper time according to the romancing guide. They have enough time for love talk. Aerie tells him that she loves my hero just before he has to talk her about his love, so conflict never starts.

    I remember now that I equipped Ring of Human Influence and Nymph Cloak while trading with sellers. Could this be a cause of the problem? High charisma helps to avoid conflicts.

    Thank you, I didn’t know about this. I’ll try it.

    Korgan was flirting with Mazzy until she stayed with her sister for a day. Then flirting stopped although there must be more dialogs. I think I should try to report to the mayor of Umar Hills without her, I can leave her outside. Then her quest never starts and I can see if her flirt with Korgan continues. Unfortunately such experiments take too much time.

    Thank you very much )
     
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    Nope, this one isn't influenced by charisma. The exact variables are here https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/39732/haerdalis-aerie-pc-love-triangle-spoilers.

    From the post:


    They must both be recruited at around the same time for that happen, though there is indeed a chance that the Aerie's romance with the PC progresses fast enough and so the conflict never happens anyway.
     
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    Paracelsi, thanks a lot!

    Haer'Dalis and Aerie love talk started just AFTER Aerie's crisis in all my games. I think I can handle this now.

    You have really great forums here.
     
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