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African AIDS Pandemic

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by drowling, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. drowling Gems: 4/31
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    I'm sure none of you need to be reminded of the apalling condition in which many africans live today, so I had a thought... and I know some of you will hate me for this, but here goes.

    Here's an idea: people who are born in the poor states, with virtually no life prospect and often with inherited HIV, are basically born into constant misery. How do the rich countries deal with this? Well, they send money, and some of the smarter ones send contraceptives. Okay... here's my idea... deep breath... sterilisation!!!

    This may sound like a nazi germany tactic, but put aside your prejudices and think for a second... do these people have a moral right to give birth to children who will have no future? I don't think so. So why not put an end to reproduction altogether, or at least limit it?
     
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    How about castration!

    Actually I think education would be best to offer. There are reports on BBC that some people are raping young babies as this grants them immunity to Aids - putting sexual urges before human life.

    Though I do agree that its selfish to reproduce when you know that your child will most likely be born HIV positive.
     
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    Hm, let's think about this for a second.
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    No. Sounds still like nazi germany tactic.
     
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    The entire problem with Africa is everyone wants to use band-aids (not an intended pun) to fix an entire continent. I believe that we only have two choices when it comes to Africa. The first option is to ignore the entire continent and let them kill, starve, rape, infect each other until they either all die or until they "mature" enough to join the rest of world. The second option is to just invade (with U.N. blessing of course so no one violates international law :lol: ) and govern them until they are more able to do it themselves (which may be never.)
     
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    Morgoroth Just because I happen to have tentacles, it doesn'

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    The second option is doomed to fail since the population is too much for the western world to handle and the weaponry there today is a bit more advanced than the spears they fought with against the Brittish troops (and even then the Zulus managed to put up some serious resistance). So I'd go with the first option.

    We should remember though that all nations in Africa are not in a complteley desperate situation and some are making serious progress, so labeling all African nations as savage, warmongering dictatorships that don't care about the spreading of AIDS is an attitude born out of ignorance.
     
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    Name an invasion of a country that was for the 'good'?
     
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    Wow, this sound a lot like 'Nuke 'em 'till they glow and shoot 'em in the dark.'

    A bit extreme even for me.
     
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    By that logic, there are a number of complete losers in the Western world who should also undergo forced sterilization -- my brother being one of them! :p

    Drowling does have a point in that some "outside the box" thinking may be necessary when dealing with some sections of Africa, but forced sterilization is just too easy to pervert. I advocate, once again, a system that either brings the decent people to countries where they can thrive, or doing something drastic to make where they are a viable, thriving location. You'd have to kill a lot of zealots (somehow) to do that, though, and we just don't have the stomach for that, or (sadly enough) the techniques to differentiate between the zealots and the decent people.
     
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    But, LKD, how to distinguish the decent people from the zealots? Is there some kind of secret sign no one has told me yet? A tatoo in the left armpit, something like that?

    I think that Ruanda (oh, and nazi germany, right) told us that decent people turn into monsters too easily. Sad but true.
     
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    Darkthrone, LKD already said that we can't do that:

    Otherwise, I'd've beaten you to that punch. ;)
     
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    Bang! Well, at least it nice to know people are reading my posts! ;)
     
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    Damn, I'm faster than myself! Cool. Or rather not.
     
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    "Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
     
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    Cesard has one part of the answer: Education. Give them a bowl of rice and they have a meal. Teach them to farm and they have means to grow their own food. Teach them to be productive and they have goods to trade.

    Also, there has to be a way that education and any aid given reaches the people you want to help. It's no good to set up a school only to have most of the children excluded for whatever reason, or to feed the starving if that food is confiscated by gune toting bullies. If a military presence is needed to ensure that this is done, then that may be the obligation of the UN. As long as HIV is allowed to remain unchecked in lands where conditions are rife for it to spread, then the whole world is yet at risk.

    In those places, the Death penalty for Rape may be necessary. No forcing someone into a marriage either. If a guy contracts HIV, don't force a woman without it to marry him. Some elements in that culture must be changed or else that situation will continue to fester and worsen, ultimately spiraling out of control...
     
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