1. SPS Accounts:
    Do you find yourself coming back time after time? Do you appreciate the ongoing hard work to keep this community focused and successful in its mission? Please consider supporting us by upgrading to an SPS Account. Besides the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a good cause, you'll also get a significant number of ever-expanding perks and benefits on the site and the forums. Click here to find out more.
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
You are currently viewing Boards o' Magick as a guest, but you can register an account here. Registration is fast, easy and free. Once registered you will have access to search the forums, create and respond to threads, PM other members, upload screenshots and access many other features unavailable to guests.

BoM cultivates a friendly and welcoming atmosphere. We have been aiming for quality over quantity with our forums from their inception, and believe that this distinction is truly tangible and valued by our members. We'd love to have you join us today!

(If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. If you've forgotten your username or password, click here.)
  1. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

    Joined:
    May 15, 2003
    Messages:
    12,434
    Media:
    46
    Likes Received:
    249
    Gender:
    Male
    Food aid to the Sudan, and specifically the Darfur region is being halved, due to a lack of contributions. According to the article, they only received one third of the contributions they had hoped for. The U.S. donated $188 million for supplies, while the only significant European contribution came from Italy, at just $1.2 milliion.

    Haven't these people gone through enough yet? Now they are having their food rationed down to 1,050 calories per day.
     
  2. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,423
    Likes Received:
    30
    I think the real question is this: How much of that food actually gets to those who are in need?
     
  3. Dalveen

    Dalveen Rimmer gone Bald Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2002
    Messages:
    1,443
    Media:
    3
    Likes Received:
    9
    pffft, im glad Italy contributed, Germany should to, cos both of them attacked this area in the 2nd world war i think, corrected me if im wrong.
     
  4. Ilmater's Suffering Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl


    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,352
    Likes Received:
    4
    Since Africa is directly a result of Western Colonialism, it's rather irresponsible for European nations not to do anything (specifically the UK and France who governed the majority of Africa pre-WW2). I want to say it was the UK who governed Sudan pre-WW2, but I can't remember off the top of my head and my books aren't present.
     
  5. AMaster Gems: 26/31
    Latest gem: Diamond


    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2000
    Messages:
    2,495
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    50
    That's actually true of the entire world, at this point. Name a significant, inhabited area of the globe that wasn't drastically altered by European (and later, Western) involvement.
     
  6. Greenlion420 Gems: 8/31
    Latest gem: Skydrop


    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2003
    Messages:
    266
    Likes Received:
    0
    :yot: You are correct. The forces in question were called the Afrika Corp and caused mass destruction. However, they were unable to defeat the army of Ethiopia. Tanks, bombs, and guns against men on horseback with spears...... :pope: I love it.

    Back to the topic at hand...

    Indeed they have been through more than enough. With the combined resourses available to various societies there really is no need for anyone, anywhere to suffer.
     
  7. AMaster Gems: 26/31
    Latest gem: Diamond


    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2000
    Messages:
    2,495
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    50
    I think we've read different histories. Every book I've encountered suggests that the opposite is true.
     
  8. Daie d'Malkin

    Daie d'Malkin Shoulda gone to Specsavers

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2002
    Messages:
    2,636
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yeah, the abyssinian conflict of 1935, where th Italians cunningly used tanks against the forces of Haile Selassie. The Abysinnians lost.

    Liverpool :D

    We also owned part of France once. Shall we send troops to put down the riots?
    Shall we donate money to Hong Kong?

    If we sent money to everywhere we used to own, we'd be bankrupt before we reached India. Then, the French and Italians can send us money instead!
     
  9. Ilmater's Suffering Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl


    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,352
    Likes Received:
    4
    What GB, France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands did to their colony is quite different then past acts of conquest. Only with Asian and African colonies did European nations set up economies based on being economically dependant on the mother country for goods produced by the mother country, as well as have the colony "produce" raw materials. England never set up France with the idea of using France's labor and resources to benefit England at the price of retarding France's economic ability.

    Europe used Africa and Asia, during the 19th and first half of the 20th century the same way the fat cat capitalist used the lower class. I'll refrain from quoting Frantz Fanon here or Jean-Paul Sarte for that matter (primarily because I don't have a copy of "the Wretched of the Earth" on hand).
     
  10. Daie d'Malkin

    Daie d'Malkin Shoulda gone to Specsavers

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2002
    Messages:
    2,636
    Likes Received:
    1
    But surely blaming Britain, France, Spain, Italy et al. for that is visiting the sins of the father on the children?
     
  11. Ilmater's Suffering Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl


    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,352
    Likes Received:
    4
    For me it's more of a marxist mantra. The haves of the system are forced to do their turn of suffering so the have nots stop being have nots.

    I'd like for the UN to pilfer the U.S. and Japan as well, but there's alot less historical justification (could pilfer Japan for the rest of Asia's sake I suppose with WW 2 and all). However the U.S. is spending well over 300 billion a year on it's military so I suppose that is justification enough for making us Yanks give until it hurts.
     
  12. Daie d'Malkin

    Daie d'Malkin Shoulda gone to Specsavers

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2002
    Messages:
    2,636
    Likes Received:
    1
    No, the fact that America spends 300 billion on the military isn;t justification. The fact that it wastes this money with stupid things is justification. We had an debate in my french class today about third world poverty vs military spending (in english. I am teh uber at changing the subject to waste time before lunch).

    Our teacher is, dare I say it, slightly naive when it comes to such matters, and advocated-wait for it- halting all money spent on medical research for a year, and donating the money to charity.

    When I'd stopped laughing, the debate continued, but I'm off topic, so I'll revert.

    While, of course, Darfur desperately needs the money, think about all the other problems that have required cash in the last 12 months. I'm sure there are some much closer to home. Nouveau Orleans, for example? AIDS research? Cancer research? BIRD FLU? The demands on the public pocket are immense. The last 5 or so years have seen disasters (natural and man-made) arrive thick and fast, after all.
     
Sorcerer's Place is a project run entirely by fans and for fans. Maintaining Sorcerer's Place and a stable environment for all our hosted sites requires a substantial amount of our time and funds on a regular basis, so please consider supporting us to keep the site up & running smoothly. Thank you!

Sorcerers.net is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to products on amazon.com, amazon.ca and amazon.co.uk. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.